Comments on: Important question

By: 5parrowhawk

5parrowhawk — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:44:37 +0000

I personally think it’s inconsistent to disallow public-domain clipart and allow public-domain fonts, but *shrug* if it works for people, it’s cool. I actually was quite careful to only use fonts from the OS for that reason.

By: Hamumu

Hamumu — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000

I wouldn’t worry about it, and I’d think changing it now is worse than leaving it. But don’t use wingdings in the future! Seems like a pretty minor thing since wingdings isn’t exactly high art, not much better than the classic roguelike of just using letters.

By: ExciteMike

ExciteMike — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:41:28 +0000

KungPhoo: the rules call out the fonts with graphics in them specifically,
“Fonts are allowed. You’re free to use any font you’re legally entitled to. Fonts are meant for text output, not as base for graphics (so you can’t get around the ‘no clipart’ part by using windings/webdings/dingbats and whatnot). ”
So it’s not that all fonts from the OS are disallowed.

I can understand why it would be frowned upon, but I’d really hate to anyone disqualified for using wingdings.

By: Maple

Maple — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:35:02 +0000

^^ I know that wasnt directed at me, but still

By: Maple

Maple — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:34:02 +0000

Meh. Well im not claiming to have done it within the 48hours (although it DID only take about 10 mins to do the characters i used while i was making the font) but i’m just saying no-one can say i didnt make my own font

By: KungPhoo

KungPhoo — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:17:43 +0000

Dude, I didn’t know it’s not allowed to use any font from the OS. I mean… it’s a font. You can’t expect to draw a font in 48 hours manually.

By: samel

samel — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:05:59 +0000

For me it’s ok to change the gfx the way YOU like
IMHO we are here to enjoy and have fun!!

ps: my game it’s a roguelike [with a twist], i see in the rule page that you can use ascii as gfx as log as the ascii rappresent char and not gfx [like WingDings that's not permitted]

pss: leave the WingDings version up, so we can also see that one, thanks

By: pythong

pythong — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:26:42 +0000

thank you for your many comments. so at least for now, I have the version with the changed graphics as an .app available as well

By: Maple

Maple — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:16:25 +0000

^^Good thing i made my own font

By: 5parrowhawk

5parrowhawk — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:03:59 +0000

Oh, by the way, yes, there’s a bit on the wiki saying roguelikes are allowed, but I think that’s inconsistent with the idea of not using “found art” in font form. Better to broaden the scope a bit. In any case, you still can’t use public-domain fonts (since they would count as public-domain art) which aren’t on the target system already, so I think it’s not too exploitable to allow wingdings.

By: 5parrowhawk

5parrowhawk — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:01:05 +0000

My take:

The “spirit of the law” behind the prohibition on font graphics is that fonts should not be used as “art” (graphical representations of objects). By that token, if you agree with the law, then ASCII roguelikes shouldn’t be allowed either.

I say we keep the roguelikes and ditch the law, unless the next compo turns out to be 99% games without graphic assets.

By: Jordan Magnuson

Jordan Magnuson — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:34:11 +0000

My vote: definitely keep your entry in, and it doesn’t bother me if you stick with the old graphics.

By: pythong

pythong — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:40:27 +0000

Making the graphics worse was really intentional. Mea culpa, mea culpa, and if I would make the graphics better, that would be even worse than having the wingdings .

@Codexus, you are save, because in the rules I could find the following point:
>>Allowed dingbat glyphs are ones like the heart/diamond/spade/club that are occasionally found in system fonts (PETSCII, ANSI).

By: Codexus

Codexus — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:27:09 +0000

I guess technically that wasn’t allowed but I don’t really see a big problem here. I think the rule is there to avoid some real problems with fonts that contain very detailed graphics. Anyway that’s just my opinion.

By the way, the heart on my companion cube is a font character, I guess that was an infraction too. ^^”

By: Maple

Maple — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:25:44 +0000

You’ve made the new graphics super bad so people will just say to stick with the old ones well, i dont know what the rules are on that; this is my first LD. But if i find out i’ll be sure to let you know.